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		<title>By: FinancialBondage.org</title>
		<link>http://outofyourrut.com/blog/2009/05/04/does-religion-really-cause-war/#comment-8601</link>
		<dc:creator>FinancialBondage.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 17:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think man and sin causes war. People like to blame their actions on things like religion. That is a cop out. It&#039;s like saying guns kill people... guns don&#039;t kill people, people kill people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think man and sin causes war. People like to blame their actions on things like religion. That is a cop out. It&#8217;s like saying guns kill people&#8230; guns don&#8217;t kill people, people kill people.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin M</title>
		<link>http://outofyourrut.com/blog/2009/05/04/does-religion-really-cause-war/#comment-5657</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments Paul.  Even within the Church, we often forget that our allegiance to Jesus Christ must supercede all other passions in life.  Being sinful by nature, this isn&#039;t always the case.  

I completely agree that we&#039;re to deal with our enemies with love, not anger, and certainly not vengeance.  But this is completely counter-intuitive to the way of man, which is also why it&#039;s so difficult to do.  But think of the witness when and if we can do it!

Violent responses invite violent counter responses, and round and round we go. The human way really hasn&#039;t worked, all you need to do is to look at our long, long history of warfare, as well as in our own time at the number of lawsuits, divorces, etc being brought.  Conflict is mans way, not the way of Christ. What a statement if we could model Jesus in a conflict, rather than join the hostilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments Paul.  Even within the Church, we often forget that our allegiance to Jesus Christ must supercede all other passions in life.  Being sinful by nature, this isn&#8217;t always the case.  </p>
<p>I completely agree that we&#8217;re to deal with our enemies with love, not anger, and certainly not vengeance.  But this is completely counter-intuitive to the way of man, which is also why it&#8217;s so difficult to do.  But think of the witness when and if we can do it!</p>
<p>Violent responses invite violent counter responses, and round and round we go. The human way really hasn&#8217;t worked, all you need to do is to look at our long, long history of warfare, as well as in our own time at the number of lawsuits, divorces, etc being brought.  Conflict is mans way, not the way of Christ. What a statement if we could model Jesus in a conflict, rather than join the hostilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Williams</title>
		<link>http://outofyourrut.com/blog/2009/05/04/does-religion-really-cause-war/#comment-5656</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Kevin!

I am a member of a Mennonite church, which emphasizes nonviolence.  In every other respect, we&#039;re pretty much the same as Baptists or any other Protestant denomination.  The idea behind nonviolence is basically the example and teaching that Jesus gave us.  How can you read the Gospels and believe that Christians should kill their enemies (when we&#039;re commanded to love)?  We&#039;re called to lay down our rights and love generously &amp; freely even when killing would be justified.

Thanks for sharing your perspective on this topic.  I especially liked your point on the intolerance of all the -isms.  I&#039;m not saying that people aren&#039;t correct when criticizing the shortcomings of the Church, but a fair approach would also criticize many other &quot;institutions&quot; as well.  With the Church, we have to understand that it&#039;s made up of people who are imperfect and sinful.  We&#039;re aiming for holy living, but we will always fall short.  That&#039;s why we must rely on righteousness through Christ and not our own power.
.-= Paul Williams&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.providentplan.com/1685/what-should-a-christian-retirement-look-like/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What Should a Christian Retirement Look Like?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Kevin!</p>
<p>I am a member of a Mennonite church, which emphasizes nonviolence.  In every other respect, we&#8217;re pretty much the same as Baptists or any other Protestant denomination.  The idea behind nonviolence is basically the example and teaching that Jesus gave us.  How can you read the Gospels and believe that Christians should kill their enemies (when we&#8217;re commanded to love)?  We&#8217;re called to lay down our rights and love generously &amp; freely even when killing would be justified.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your perspective on this topic.  I especially liked your point on the intolerance of all the -isms.  I&#8217;m not saying that people aren&#8217;t correct when criticizing the shortcomings of the Church, but a fair approach would also criticize many other &#8220;institutions&#8221; as well.  With the Church, we have to understand that it&#8217;s made up of people who are imperfect and sinful.  We&#8217;re aiming for holy living, but we will always fall short.  That&#8217;s why we must rely on righteousness through Christ and not our own power.<br />
.-= Paul Williams&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.providentplan.com/1685/what-should-a-christian-retirement-look-like/" rel="nofollow">What Should a Christian Retirement Look Like?</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin M</title>
		<link>http://outofyourrut.com/blog/2009/05/04/does-religion-really-cause-war/#comment-4745</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason - When you study the facts of history, and even the drivers behind current conflicts, the religion-causes-war supposition fails completely.  

It seems that it&#039;s a feel good/sophisticated sounding claim that lives on in spite of the facts because it&#039;s aimed primarily at supporting a system of non-belief. As human beings, we&#039;ll cling to any doctrine, supposition or cliche that supports our own beliefs and philosophies.

There may be compelling reasons a person chooses not to believe, but this one belongs in the abject fail column. I&#039;d hate to have my eternal destiny riding on an incorrect assumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason &#8211; When you study the facts of history, and even the drivers behind current conflicts, the religion-causes-war supposition fails completely.  </p>
<p>It seems that it&#8217;s a feel good/sophisticated sounding claim that lives on in spite of the facts because it&#8217;s aimed primarily at supporting a system of non-belief. As human beings, we&#8217;ll cling to any doctrine, supposition or cliche that supports our own beliefs and philosophies.</p>
<p>There may be compelling reasons a person chooses not to believe, but this one belongs in the abject fail column. I&#8217;d hate to have my eternal destiny riding on an incorrect assumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason @ MyMoneyMinute</title>
		<link>http://outofyourrut.com/blog/2009/05/04/does-religion-really-cause-war/#comment-4740</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason @ MyMoneyMinute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keven, great post!

Like you said, unless Communism is a religion, this fable fails automatically.  And if religion didn&#039;t exist, it would just be one less institution on which to blame the world&#039;s perils.  All I can do is my part to pass on Jesus&#039; message of redemption to others, so they know the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keven, great post!</p>
<p>Like you said, unless Communism is a religion, this fable fails automatically.  And if religion didn&#8217;t exist, it would just be one less institution on which to blame the world&#8217;s perils.  All I can do is my part to pass on Jesus&#8217; message of redemption to others, so they know the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven and Debra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven and Debra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 11:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We agree.  God did direct the wars depicted in the Old Testament by speaking to leaders directly, in one form or another.  How many of today&#039;s leaders can make that claim and not be in jeopardy of being carted off to the funny-farm by the men in white coats?
.-= Steven and Debra&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheEndTimesHoax/~3/o7NXzFd87ZA/disappearing-money.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Disappearing Money&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We agree.  God did direct the wars depicted in the Old Testament by speaking to leaders directly, in one form or another.  How many of today&#8217;s leaders can make that claim and not be in jeopardy of being carted off to the funny-farm by the men in white coats?<br />
.-= Steven and Debra&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheEndTimesHoax/~3/o7NXzFd87ZA/disappearing-money.html" rel="nofollow">Disappearing Money</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin M</title>
		<link>http://outofyourrut.com/blog/2009/05/04/does-religion-really-cause-war/#comment-4450</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 03:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven and Debra - You hit on something there with Old Testament examples in support for war.  Most of those examples were specific and at the direct instruction of God himself.  We can&#039;t assume that because a nominally Christian nation goes to war that God is directing it.  If we assume that we can justify nearly anything.

In the New Testament the prime support is Jesus driving the money changers out of the temple.  Not sure how that becomes a justification for war - Jesus didn&#039;t kill anyone.  That was a display of righteous anger, how that turns into a war is a mystery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven and Debra &#8211; You hit on something there with Old Testament examples in support for war.  Most of those examples were specific and at the direct instruction of God himself.  We can&#8217;t assume that because a nominally Christian nation goes to war that God is directing it.  If we assume that we can justify nearly anything.</p>
<p>In the New Testament the prime support is Jesus driving the money changers out of the temple.  Not sure how that becomes a justification for war &#8211; Jesus didn&#8217;t kill anyone.  That was a display of righteous anger, how that turns into a war is a mystery.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven and Debra</title>
		<link>http://outofyourrut.com/blog/2009/05/04/does-religion-really-cause-war/#comment-4449</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven and Debra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin - Great article on the true origins of war.  You are correct when you imply it is a human condition versus a religious imperative.  Too many Christians have been snookered into believing otherwise and often use Old Testament examples of war as a justification for such activities while claiming to be New Testament Christians.  What gives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin &#8211; Great article on the true origins of war.  You are correct when you imply it is a human condition versus a religious imperative.  Too many Christians have been snookered into believing otherwise and often use Old Testament examples of war as a justification for such activities while claiming to be New Testament Christians.  What gives?</p>
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